Kevin McCarthy Audio Suggests Trump ‘Guilt’: Kirschner

Former US Army Prosecutor Glenn Kirschner claimed that leaked audio recordings of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy, a California Republican, who in January 2021 said he would support former President Donald Trump after the attack on the US Capitol recommending “resignation,” demonstrating “guilt.”

The New York Times on Thursday reported that McCarthy told fellow GOP lawmakers days after the Jan. 6, 2021 pro-Trump attack on the federal legislature of the government that he plans to urge the then-president to step down days before the end of his term. McCarthy later released a statement saying the reporting was “completely false and incorrect”.

Thursday evening that Times released audio of McCarthy telling lawmakers what the newspaper reported, he said. “I’m seriously considering having this conversation with him tonight,” the GOP House Speaker said in the short clip dated Jan. 10, 2021. He added that he would tell Trump, “It would be my recommendation that you should resign”.

Many Trump critics slammed McCarthy after the audio leaked as he was caught in a blatant lie. Kirschner, who previously called for Trump’s impeachment and said he believes the former president committed “treason” with his Jan. 6 actions, gave his assessment of the audio and what it shows on Friday morning.

“One key takeaway from the Cheney/McCarthy tapes: KMC said it would tell Trump to resign but was afraid Trump would come up with a ‘pence pardon.’ This suggests that Trump had raised this issue before. Because Trump KNEW he committed crimes. That = guilt!” Kirschner, who now works as a legal analyst for MSNBC and NBC News, tweeted Friday morning.

“This is another compelling reason why McCarthy should testify before the House Select Committee AND before a federal grand jury investigating Donald Trump’s crimes,” the attorney added.

McCarthy denied a request by the House Select Committee to testify in January. The House Minority Leader said in a Jan. 12 statement that investigators wanted to question him “about public statements shared with the world and private conversations not remotely related to the violence in the Capitol.” He said he had “nothing more to add”.

In the audio released Thursday, McCarthy spoke to Rep. Liz Cheney, a Republican from Wyoming. Cheney voted with 10 other House Republicans to impeach Trump for inciting the attack on the US Capitol. She now serves as vice chair of the special committee investigating the events of January 6 and was ousted from her leadership role No. 3 as chair of the Republican Conference of the House of Representatives in May 2021 for her impeachment vote and committee participation.

“Any chance? Do you hear that he could resign? Any reason to think that could happen?” Cheney questions McCarthy on the audio recording. McCarthy responds that he plans to “call” Trump to discuss upcoming impeachment proceedings and possible next steps.

“Well, I haven’t had a discussion with the Democrats that if he resigned, that’s what he would do [the impeachment] happen? Well, that’s a personal fear I have. I don’t want to get into a conversation about pardoning Pence [Trump]’ McCarthy said.

“Again, the only discussion I would have with him is that I think this will pass and it would be my recommendation that you should resign. Um, I mean, that would be my opinion. But I don’t think he would accept it. But I don’t know,” he said.

Some lawmakers and analysts suggested that Cheney leaked the audio, but the congresswoman has denied this. “The select committee has asked Kevin McCarthy to speak to us about these events, but he has so far declined. Rep. Cheney did not take the tape or leak it and does not know how reporters got it,” her spokeswoman told Punchbowl News on Friday.

Amid the attack on the Capitol, the House Minority Leader reportedly spoke to Trump over the phone to urge him to withdraw his supporters. Rep. Jaime Herrera Beutler, a Washington Republican, previously said Trump responded to McCarthy by saying, “Well, Kevin, I guess these people are more upset about the election than you are.”

Donald Trump and Kevin McCarthy
Former US Army Attorney Glenn Kirschner claimed that leaked audio recordings of House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-California) show President Donald Trump was aware of his guilt in connection with Jan. 6, 2021 . Above: Trump and McCarthy attend a signing ceremony at the Oval White House Office on April 24, 2020 in Washington, DC
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McCarthy initially blamed and criticized Trump for the Jan. 6 violence. “The President bears responsibility for the attack on Congress by mob rioters on Wednesday,” McCarthy said on the floor of the House of Representatives on Jan. 13, 2021. “He should have denounced the mob as soon as he saw what was going on.”

But by late January 2021, McCarthy had traveled to meet with Trump at his residence in Mar-a-Lago, Fla. Critics of the leader of the GOP House of Representatives have claimed that this visit and his subsequent actions were key to restoring the former President’s political image after the Jan. 6 violence.

news week reached out to Trump and McCarthy spokespersons for comment.

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Rick Schindler

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